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Chris Woolfe's avatar

Thanks for sharing this bold analysis! I love to see when people question assumptions using data. I have three kids of my own, 4th - PreK. One anecdote to support your idea is what they said at lunch yesterday (on our 3rd day home from school due to snow) They all commented on how unexpectedly happy they were, like it was a pleasant surprise. My oldest even logged in to brilliant.org and learned things on his own for over an hour. Here are some of my observations

1. The homework hypothesis may have been true for years prior, but no elementary age students in our county get homework at all. Not sure about middle/high grades. (Maybe they've already taken your advice?) My kids go to the only school which gives homework and they also have the highest test scores. (for what it's worth).

2. Would love to see more recess and lunch time. You and Haidt may actually agree on the benefits of unstructured play here. There have been numerous studies on the many benefits of this kinds of child-directed play (where the adults function more as lifeguards at a pool than as teachers leading every activity). This unstructured play with other kids was an abundant feature of our being home with the snow. Also the exercise inherent in outdoor play is highly beneficial, especially for kids with ADHD.

3. I grew up in public school and there was a general consensus among almost everybody that we hated school. Mainly because it was a lot of work, and we'd rather just stay at home and watch TV. So, no surprise there. But also, if school leads to higher depression (or suicide) ... I don't see how somehow altering/minimizing school would help because, at some point, life will be challenging, stressful, depressing. We can't just avoid living and watch TV all day.

4. I agree that doomscrolling / bad content would help explain the negative effects of screen time. In an age of well-funded addictive apps and algorithms, this is sadly the default. Takes a lot of work to use screens in a way that is life-giving. In my effort to observe and parse out these effects, I built LivingRoom for iOS. We connect parents with kids' screen time using occasional screenshots.

5. There's another trend besides Common Core that started around 2012 that would potentially help explain the rise in depression, and that is the corresponding decrease in church attendance during that time. Derek Thompson wrote about this in his April 3, 2024 article in the Atlantic titled "The True Cost of the Churchgoing Bust"

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The point about common core seems like it could be evidenced by comparing against other countries, since as far as I'm aware other education systems did not make major curriculum changes in 2012. What do suicide rates look like for the UK, Canada, Australia, and Western Europe?

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